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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:41:00 -
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yes local stifles all PvP in nullsec and nobody fights over anything there because it's impossible to
oh wait that is totally bullshit npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1759
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:45:00 -
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clearly the solution to the mechanics being edged towards the defender's favor are to completely screw the defender and make them sheep to the wolves
"ratters in 0.0 solely exist as targets and nothing else, they should have no way of avoiding danger and they should be required to put up a fight, which they of course would lose every time because ratters stand zero chance against roaming gangs"
oh and "I dislike the fact that hostiles won't drop supers for my risk-averse ass to drop my supercapital blob on because they see my cyno alt in local" npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1761
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:49:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:It's less about any threat to existing groups and more about what certain people/groups (e.g. Marlona Sky) want handed to them on a silver platter. They seem to forget there's already somewhere in EVE they can go to play without local, but we all know they won't go there. I have read enough "remove local" threads to conclude that local is double edged and if you remove it, nobody really benefits from the loss. Having it in place, the benefit is equal. With local, you get instant intel. So does the other guy. Without local, you don't get instant intel. Neither does the other guy. So please define for us pubbies (I am a Pubbie Overlord according to Joepopo) what exactly will be on that "silver platter" that you are worried about.
let's also remove metrics like NPC kills, ship kills, development indices, player ships in space, and gate jumps from the in-game map and API, because they are also a source of instant, reliable and free intel
or would that make the life of the hunter too miserable abloobloobloo why is this challenging npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1762
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Posted - 2013.12.07 07:10:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Also with all your stacked up crap in that last post, nobody is asking that you be made completely helpless unless you personally choose that, you will simply have to do more than warp to anomaly and stare at a chat window to be safe.
Oh the humanity.
yes you'll actually have to log in 20 alts to put eyes on every gate in the system you're in, every adjacent system and every system adjacent to those npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1762
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Posted - 2013.12.07 07:11:00 -
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oh and you better not miss that bomber jumping in and cloaking up in one second flat because that guy fitting a cyno and a point is all it takes npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1762
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Posted - 2013.12.07 07:36:00 -
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if you're ratting combat fit you might as well head to empire because the returns will be so **** that you're better off incursion farming npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1762
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Posted - 2013.12.07 07:44:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:You can clear over 80 million an hour in Fountain with a Talos and a Scimmie, peddle your lies elsewhere youngin.
so, yeah, you're better off incursion farming
or better yet, in a wormhole where risk/reward isn't completely lopsided and the lack of local is balanced by other mechanics npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1763
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:16:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:lets stop pretending that your cyno jammed 50 bubble on the ingate systems are fortified like mordor and relatively safe compared to the gank squads that roam mission areas.
nice lie there npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1763
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:18:00 -
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fun fact maybe you're not aware of this but cynojammers aren't exactly cheap to keep online and they wouldn't do a goddamn thing anyway because everyone's doing blackops drops npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1763
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:24:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:One thing that would help is making PvE with a PvP fit a reality. Then if someone is caught, at least they have a chance to fight off the attackers. Right now everyone is forced or opts for a 100% PvE fit to gain the best ISK. And because PvP with a PvE fit is suicide, the very moment a hostile comes in system, the smartest thing to do is to get safe.
as if CCP would ever deliver anything like that in a single package as opposed to completely ******* 0.0 over and spending the next 10 expansions making **** easier for braindead morons in hisec before they even discuss further iterations on nullsec npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1763
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:31:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:fun fact maybe you're not aware of this but cynojammers aren't exactly cheap to keep online and they wouldn't do a goddamn thing anyway because everyone's doing blackops drops http://i.imgur.com/YXg8TQQ.pngYea man I can tell from that image that you are beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men...it truly must be a rough and tumble world out there for you guys.
PEOPLE ARE FLYING SPACESHIPS AND DOING THINGS OUTSIDE OF FLEET OPS, CLEARLY THIS IS A PROBLEM
~ grath telkin npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1763
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:35:00 -
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who would have thought that if 13,000 people had ratting rights to a region, that region would be high in NPC kills
ridiculous! npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1763
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Posted - 2013.12.07 10:24:00 -
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flakeys wrote:I can see your point , however enlighten me how the underlined is not the same as the empire miner telling us he had fit no tank against ganks because it would make his minerals mined per hour suffer badly?
You know the guys we like to point and laugh at ?
The thing is that "PvE fit" means shooting into the rats' weakest resistances, because ratting with, say, lasers in Guristas/Serpentis space is just ridiculous. It also means tanking for the rats' damage, which excludes EANMs and invulns.
If you want to log in and rat for an hour or two to keep your wallet afloat, you really don't want to spend time looking for somebody to fly a scimitar alongside you which would mean that you'd have to spend twice the amount of time shooting red crosses than you otherwise would, because 0.0 anomalies don't reward group play at all. npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1763
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Posted - 2013.12.07 13:39:00 -
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flakeys wrote:I know what a pve/pvp fit is and how people in null run anomolies etc , my game experience lies in all fields besides wormholes , the question was not related to what null ratting is the question was what the difference was between isk/hour ratting tengu excuse and isk/hour mining barge excuse .
So the reasons we have now as to why it should be changed is :
-We want a pure pve fit BUT add extra pvp abilities otherwise our isk/hour ratio is lower when ratting. -We want to solo it otherwise we'll have to group and that would mean less isk/hour , effort.
Now empire dwellers who are formiliar with the high-sec vs null-sec threads by now should **** their pants from the irony overload here.
The difference is that miners were sacrificing all their tanking ability for the sake of eking out 5% more ore than they otherwise would. When you're talking about nullsec anomalies, a PvP fit just isn't viable. Not because it generates less isk/hour, but because anomalies completely disincetivize group play simply because of how bounty payouts work.
Telling people to just run anomalies in groups just means "give roaming gangs more kills" or "stop doing PvE in 0.0 and run hisec incursions which are far more lucrative anyway"
Try not putting words in my mouth! npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1763
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Posted - 2013.12.07 13:50:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Oh you're 100% right, the feeds that give all that intel on rats and jumps and crap like that would have to get shut off, its just too much of a boon to the hunter, if everybody is blinded then everybody has to be blinded.
HOWEVER
You're not going to get blinded, they're aware of how insane it would make the life of people if suddenly local was just gone, and thats not at all whats being suggested by anybody. CCP plainly states that they'll replace it with SOMETHING, but it will just be something slightly less efficient or more effort intensive than 'watch window get info'.
TL;DR you wont be totally blind like some people in this thread are making out, but it likely wont be the easy mode it is now.
Yes, in an ideal world CCP will remove local in all of k-space and add different intel tools at the same time, but instead they'll completely botch the latter or say "yeah expect it SoonGäó" and nullsec will be a desert with nary a tumbleweed because either some genius will decide that cloaks will completely trump it or it won't ship for 3 years. That, or it will work not much unlike local does now and the same people will continue complaining. npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1763
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Posted - 2013.12.07 14:22:00 -
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flakeys wrote:So how does the bounty payout keep you from grouping?Enlighten me that please.
The fact that you'd be better off running incursions in hisec at that point? npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1763
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Posted - 2013.12.07 19:25:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:It has been mentioned. Constellation intel would be less precise, but it would also be correspondingly more powerful.
i dislike the idea of instantly alerting everyone in a system to my presence by the mere act of jumping in, i'd rather they be alerted to my presence when i'm still a number of jumps out! npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1763
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Posted - 2013.12.07 20:48:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:if you're ratting combat fit you might as well head to empire because the returns will be so **** that you're better off incursion farming That can be translated: The Goon guy wrote:if you're mining tanked you might as well give up because the returns will be so **** that you're better off incursion farming
so, you and that fcon guy comparing braindead inattentive quasi-botting miners with players who are actually at their keyboard, staring at their screens for the sake of eking out a living out of their space? hilarious~ npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
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